Ask Patty: M1 with a Twist

April 11, 2022

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  • Sheeer magic! Thank you!!

  • Thank you wise and wonderful knitting genius!

  • I always have a hard time following instructions illustrated with photos. Is there a link to a video tutorial you could suggest? Thanks.

    • Thanks Kay! I was just about to request the same thing.

    • Truly, there’s nothing a video would show that isn’t in the pictures. Read the relationship between a YO and M1, then just try it on your needles. There’s nothing complex. If you’ve worked a YO, then you know you put the needle in the hole to work it on the next row. Here we are NOT putting our needle into the leading leg (in the hole) but into the trailing leg and that twists it. That’s it.

      • Sorry, I can’t see how you get from one pic to the next. A video would be great.

    • I agree-need to see it done. Reading it doesn’t work for me.

      • Yes, I agree with all the above comments. I need to see it done because those photos do not work for me either.

    • Yes, I think I need a video as well.

  • Maybe it’s just me, but I never noticed a little hole with my M1s, or it just doesn’t bug me;)

    • It’s not just you; I’ve never had the problem either. I’m fact when I’m doing “m1 every (x) rows” I have trouble finding the previous m1. I’ll have to look next time I’m doing an m1 to see if there’s a hike and I’m just not noticing it.

  • Can this be done with knitting in the round?

    • Of course! Why wouldn’t it. You can do a YO in the round right? 🙂

  • Saving this and wondering if I can make it work if knitting in the round..like on a thumb gusset on a mitt?

    • of course. Try reading it again and focus on the WHY, not memorizing. I said nothing about it having to be worked flat. You can work a YO in the round right? Read the relationship between a YO and M1, then just try it on your needles. There’s nothing complex. If you’ve worked a YO, then you know you put the needle in the hole to work it on the next row. Here we are NOT putting our needle into the leading leg (in the hole) but into the trailing leg and that twists it. That’s it. Just try it.

  • How does this technique work when knitting in the round

    • of course. Try reading it again and focus on the WHY, not memorizing. I said nothing about it having to be worked flat. You can work a YO in the round right? Read the relationship between a YO and M1, then just try it on your needles. There’s nothing complex. If you’ve worked a YO, then you know you put the needle in the hole to work it on the next row. Here we are NOT putting our needle into the leading leg (in the hole) but into the trailing leg and that twists it. That’s it. Just try it.

  • Such a great explanation. Thank you Patty. Of course sometimes you want the hole to show – as in mitred squares for eg.

  • This is the invisible increase I use. It’s lovely, & works in either flat knitting, or in the round

    https://techknitting.blogspot.com/2007/05/very-nearly-invisible-increase.html?m=1

    • Every increase can be done flat or in the round. That is a lovely, but totally different increase with different reasons to use it. It is called a right lifted increase (RLI) and there’s also a left version (LLI).

      These work into the row below, so they cannot be stacked too closely together. They are lovely in waist shaping where the increases are over 4 rows apart.

      These also need to be worked into a knit stitch, so they aren’t used when increasing up from a rib, as M1s are. All stitches have different purposes. There’s a place and need for each one. If you’d like to learn the LLI, here’s a video.

      https://youtu.be/e6xiidUorNk

  • Would this work for increases on socks? Most patterns I’ve seen do increases one round and then knit the next alternating until desired number of stitches, would this process count as one round increase and one round plain knit? Would the YO round be the increase round? Hope that makes sense

    • A YO adds a stitch right? So it’s an increase! Don’t try to memorize, but use you’re own knitter’s logic. When you do a YO on one round or row, doesn’t that change the stitch count? Now when you work that YO on the next row, it doesn’t right? NO difference. Read the relationship between a YO and M1, then just try it on your needles. There’s nothing complex. If you’ve worked a YO, then you know you put the needle in the hole to work it on the next row. Here we are NOT putting our needle into the leading leg (in the hole) but into the trailing leg and that twists it. That’s it. Just try it.

  • OMG. This is brilliant.

  • As always, thanks for making the magic clear!

  • Very helpful! I’m always amazed at how one stitch can be substituted for another according to preference – it’s a never ending rabbit hole of possibilities!

  • Just have to say that I love your photos and explanations. More Patty please!!

  • I’ll have to read this again at the end of my work day. But it did not make a lot of sense to me in the wee hours this morning. Does one have to set up the increase in the row before by creating a yarn over and then finish the increase in the subsequent row when one arrives at the yarn over?

    • That’s what it translates to me too, and it is quite clever, really! It’s a bar increase, essentially. Depending on the knitter, needle size, and plumpness of the yarn, the gap underneath it can be unsuitably visible, and/or the bar between the stitches just isn’t long enough for twisting the stitch to make it lean left or right. In essence, she’s placing a yarnover in the row below to create a longer bar for the bar increase. That’s how I picture it, anyway.

    • My question too. Do I need to mark the row below the increase row for the yarn over or is the yarn over actually the increase and you close the gap on the next row? In stockinette that row would be a purl row? Maybe I need another cup of coffee and another read.

      • The coffee helped. You did address this in that paragraph that begins “ You can make your YO on a RS row and twist it on the WS row. Geez. Thank you Patty for this lesson and your patience.

    • Thank you! This finally makes sense to me. That’s what I’ll try.

  • Thank you. The little hole made me crazy and now I can hop off that crazy train!

  • I struggled for years with M1’s. They always created a hole until I finally realized that the stitch between should be lifted with the LEFT needle to accomplish the twist. You show that so clearly here in the photos, but for many years I just didn’t understand that simple detail that makes all the difference!

  • I’m sorry this did not make any sense. I might need a video.

  • OMGosh, I’ve been doing my YOs backwards this whole time!!!

  • AHA! And if I was doing a yarn over purl wise, it would just be opposite lean of what the knit lean should be? Trying to teach myself how to adapt knitting in the round to purling in the round using Portuguese knitting technique. Basically making the item from inside out…I think

  • Well, I get it and used it with so much success by using the same mental and physical approach as the traditional m1. Just deferred to the next row. Really is intuitive. Very cool! Thank you so much!!